Oregon poet, author, publisher, and podcaster Benjamin Gorman decided to do something different with his weekly podcast featuring writers. The result was Writers Not Writing, which has received more than 10,000 views on YouTube and is available for download from all the podcasting platforms. Rather than dive into craft or how to be published like other podcasts, Gorman concentrates on what writers do when they are procrastinating…or perhaps just living a fully rounded life.

We wanted to know more about what Gorman does when he is not podcasting, including his publishing company Not a Pipe Publishing and how the podcast came to be. Following is a recent interview via email.

Please tell us about Not a Pipe Publishing.

Not a Pipe Publishing is an indie press located, fittingly, in Independence, Oregon. We started off publishing exclusively sci-fi and fantasy for adult and YA audiences, but we’ve expanded into paranormal and horror, a thriller, a bunch of anthologies around different themes, and collections of poetry. 

How did you come up with the “Not a Pipe” name?

The name of the company is a reference to René Magritte’s famous painting “The Treachery of Images,” the one with a pipe on it that says (in French), “This is not a pipe.” The painting is about how an image of a thing isn’t the thing itself, and I thought that would be perfect for a company which publishes fiction. One of our central animating principles is that fiction isn’t an accurate description of the world but can tell deeper truths. 

What inspired you to start the Writers Not Writing podcast?

I’d been a guest on many podcasts and a few TV shows, and while I’m grateful to all those interviewers, I found that I kept responding to the same questions about writing process. That’s great for other writers, but I suspected the lines of questioning weren’t very entertaining for readers. I wanted to create a show that is reader-focused, so instead of asking writers about how they write, I ask them how they do something every reader also does: Procrastinate.  I think the show helps readers get to know authors as more well-rounded human beings, and I hope that makes the viewers/listeners more interested in checking out our work. 

How many writers have you interviewed?

As of this writing, we’ve aired 65 episodes, but I try to keep a little ahead, so I’ve recorded 70. It’s been a wonderful experience because I’ve been able to meet these big-name Emmy winners and New York Times best-sellers, and also authors who are just starting out in their careers. I like to keep that mix because everyone has a unique collection of fun procrastination behavior.  

Do you hear any common themes?

One question I always ask authors is what they’ve been daydreaming about, and I’ve appreciated the common recognition that daydreaming, while it can feel like procrastination, is an essential part of the work we do. Authors have fascinating answers ranging from the weirdest flights of fancy to very practical wonderings, and it’s great to contemplate how those inform their work.

What do you think is the greatest challenge facing indie authors and publishers?

I think the publishing industry is going through a transition that’s very similar to what the music industry experienced with the rise of Napster. Before, music was limited to what a small number of gatekeepers allowed. Suddenly everything was accessible, and anyone could throw their music out into the world. That was wonderful for listeners (at first) because there was this glut of great stuff, but it made it so difficult for artists to break out, and then it made it nearly impossible for artists to make a living creating their art. Those pressures then become bad for music listeners (and now readers), because the quantity of work is huge, but it’s being created by people who are essentially donating it to the world. That’s not good for artists of any kind, and when the artists are exploiting themselves, it ultimately isn’t good for readers, either. I suspect that, like iTunes, we’ll eventually settle on some other gatekeeping method that will allow some people to get attention without those decisions being made by a bunch of white, male billionaires picking from among their friends. Instead, it will be white, male billionaires choosing from what they see bubbling up from a much larger pool. That’s still far from perfect, but it will lead to more diverse literature that will be at least slightly more representative of the readers (who are predominantly women and disproportionately people of color) while providing more authors a living wage. I hope indie authors and publishers will play a vital role in that future ecosystem, creating meaningful connections between authors and readers on smaller scales, like the bands that are figuring out ways to make ends meet by doing live shows in more intimate venues rather than selling out arenas and living off of hit albums. We’ll see. I could be overly optimistic. But I hope we’ll find ourselves in a world of more public readings and more intimate signings at small, independent bookstores. It’s a tight time for indie publishers and indie bookstores now, but I really hope the ones who can weather this tenuous time will be the places readers look to when they want to find the voices of their own communities in a future of homogeneous, AI generated schlock. 

For those who want to learn more about Not a Pipe Publishing, where can they find you?

Please come learn more about our authors and their marvelous books at www.notapipepublishing.com We have some great novels we’ll be releasing this year by Amanda Cherry, Beth Gibbs, and Karen Eisenbrey. We’re also publishing our first translation, a powerful collection of poetry by the renowned Mexican poet Verónica Arredondo translated by A.A. deFreese. And we just released a beautiful collection of found poetry and art by Jennifer Rood. There will be cover reveals, launch parties, and signings for all of these, so check out the events page on the site or follow us on any of the social media apps. (We’re on all of them. It’s awful, but we have to go where the readers are, so please follow us to make it worth our while!)

Links to Writers Not Writing can be found at http://www.notapipepublishing.com/writers-not-writing-show.

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